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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Guy that shows up with, you know.
[00:00:02] Speaker B: His dick pic, right?
[00:00:04] Speaker A: He's telling you, it's like, here's my dick.
[00:00:06] Speaker B: It's like, okay, you. I rarely got a dick pic, which I was so disappointed because I have such great comebacks for it, but it's.
[00:00:14] Speaker A: Just like, I would be like, why are you sending me this? You know, like, what is it? What is this supposed to do here?
[00:00:20] Speaker B: You know?
[00:00:20] Speaker A: Like, okay, so you're randomly turned on, and you're showing me, are you proud?
[00:00:24] Speaker B: You're proud of the size?
[00:00:26] Speaker A: Like, I would just, I I would ruin it immediately because they want you to be like, ooh, that's amazing. And also, it proves they don't know women at all, because we are never.
[00:00:35] Speaker B: Googling pictures of dicks on our own time.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: I've never heard a girl, hey, what are you doing? Oh, I'm just googling dick pictures. Like said, no woman ever. We're not doing that.
[00:00:45] Speaker C: When there were conversations around a couple.
[00:00:47] Speaker D: Really heavy hitting authors who had decided to give up six figure advances to.
[00:00:51] Speaker C: Self publish, that there was a conversation that started on my birthday that year, and I said, by goddess, I'm going.
[00:00:56] Speaker D: To take this other book that I had written was a novel about miscarriage. So same subject matter, same ability to sell to these women.
[00:01:04] Speaker C: And I thought, I'm going to publish it, instead of continuing to try to find an agent.
[00:01:08] Speaker D: And I knew the book was pretty good. Agents had said, I love this. We just don't see it sitting on the shelves.
[00:01:13] Speaker C: We don't know where it goes. And I'm like, I know exactly where it goes. And it goes into the hands, for.
[00:01:18] Speaker D: Me, direct selling to these women, and.
[00:01:20] Speaker C: I've done it ever since.
[00:01:21] Speaker E: Very next year, everything had changed because so many romance writers who had been kind of the bread and butter of publishing, but they weren't, you know, they were the ones that were just kind of cranking things out, whereas they weren't.
[00:01:33] Speaker F: Like the, you know, John Grisham's of publishing. Right, right.
[00:01:36] Speaker G: Publishing put all their money on the.
[00:01:38] Speaker E: John Grisham's and didn't want to deal with any of the midlist authors. And so all these romance authors got their rights back to their books and started publishing themselves. And most of them were smart, savvy women who knew what to do and.
[00:01:49] Speaker F: Knew how to market and everything and change the game overnight.
[00:01:54] Speaker E: And so the next year at that conference, it was so funny, because every year, women would just suck up to.
[00:02:00] Speaker F: These people on the panel, and all.
[00:02:02] Speaker E: Of a sudden it was like, what have you done for me lately?
[00:02:06] Speaker F: And it was a really empowering moment.
[00:02:08] Speaker E: To see that, because all of a sudden, so many writers woke up. And especially, you know, for years, women.
[00:02:14] Speaker F: Writers have always been secondary to men.
[00:02:17] Speaker E: You know, you've got men who can.
[00:02:19] Speaker F: Write like, what's kind of termed dick lit, which is like Chiclet, only for guys, you know, know, it's a slacker.
[00:02:24] Speaker G: Guy who's unable to commit, who has.
[00:02:27] Speaker F: A lousy job and just floats around.
[00:02:31] Speaker E: And they would get paid five times what a woman would get paid for.
[00:02:35] Speaker F: A chiclet novel, you know, and get much more muscle with the publishing house behind it.
[00:02:40] Speaker G: And so all of a sudden, to.
[00:02:43] Speaker E: See these women just, like, take the.
[00:02:45] Speaker F: Power and do it themselves was great.
[00:02:47] Speaker E: And by then, and there was one other guy who was a very, very.
[00:02:51] Speaker F: He just done a lot of things in publishing over the years, and he.
[00:02:55] Speaker G: Had stood up on a panel and he said, you know, if you're not.
[00:02:58] Speaker F: Doing indie publishing right now, the train's gonna run you over.
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